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Ray1010
09-22-2008, 06:38 PM
so basically i work at home depot and am tryin to save money.So im jus wondering how do tell what grit or whatever sandpaper is to an abralon pad.like wat grit would i get that would be the same as an 1000 abralon pad same wit 2000 4000 etc. idk maybe this is a stupid question but anything will help.thanks guys

Sabotage
09-22-2008, 06:46 PM
Scotch Brite pads!

Ray1010
09-22-2008, 06:52 PM
wat scotch brite pads r equivalent to abralon pads??

Sabotage
09-22-2008, 07:01 PM
http://forums.hammerbowling.com/showthread.php?t=7242&highlight=scotch

Thanks to fatboy

SCOTCHBRITE GRIT CHART
3M Scotch Brite Nylon Pads:
7445 - White pad, called Light Duty Cleansing - (1000) 1200-1500 grit
7448 - Light Grey, called Ultra Fine Hand - (600-800) 800 grit.
6448 - Green (?), called Light Duty Hand Pad - (600) 600 grit
7447 - Maroon pad, called General Purpose Hand - (320-400) 320 grit
6444 - Brown pad, called Extra Duty Hand - (280-320) 240 grit
7446 - Dark Grey pad, called Blending Pad (180-220) 150 grit
7440 - Tan pad, called Heavy Duty Hand Pad - (120-150) 60(?)
Blue Scotch-Brite is considered to be about 1000 grit.
(The value inside the parentheses is directly from 3M.)
3M Chart
Less Aggressive --------> More Aggressive
7445 7448 6448 7447 6444 7446 7440
Finer Finish --------> Coarser Finish

Sparehater
09-22-2008, 07:50 PM
abralon is not the same scale as scotch brite or regular sand paper, not sure of the conversion, o and DONT USE SANDPAPER ON PARTICLE STUFF, it rounds the particles.

Ray1010
09-22-2008, 08:38 PM
ok ya i was a little iffy about using sand paper on my equipment with all the threads about the scotch brite pads...well im pickin up a load of them before work today since i get employee discount

mongoliantreesloth
09-22-2008, 09:29 PM
Are Abralon pads a different grit? I though that the micron size was the same but the pad just does the job differently.

Grit Grading Scales

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/stidder/CopyofGritScales.jpg

TenPinSniper
09-23-2008, 02:10 AM
Here is a addition and a correction to the Scotch Brite Chart.
White 2500
Gold 1200
The above is from 3M.

Abralon is last longer and provides a more conisistent finish than sandpaper... the abrasive is woven into the sponge. Plus, Abralon holds water.

I've called Mirka and my Local Auto Body Supply Store...
Asking about Grit Conversion for Abralon.
I've yet to get a good answer on this from anyone.
Mirka told me there was not difference between sanpaper and there pads.
Local supply store thinks there may be a difference, but it just a guess or hunch.

Also my local proshop sanded a ball using 320 Sand Paper, then proceeded to sand the ball with 500 Abralon. The difference was night and day, not even close as the conversion listed above would make you believe.

Curacao_Dejavu
10-25-2008, 02:54 PM
Here is a addition and a correction to the Scotch Brite Chart.
White 2500
Gold 1200
The above is from 3M.

Abralon is last longer and provides a more conisistent finish than sandpaper... the abrasive is woven into the sponge. Plus, Abralon holds water.

I've called Mirka and my Local Auto Body Supply Store...
Asking about Grit Conversion for Abralon.
I've yet to get a good answer on this from anyone.
Mirka told me there was not difference between sanpaper and there pads.
Local supply store thinks there may be a difference, but it just a guess or hunch.

Also my local proshop sanded a ball using 320 Sand Paper, then proceeded to sand the ball with 500 Abralon. The difference was night and day, not even close as the conversion listed above would make you believe.

which one is better ??
and where can you buy it the cheapest ?

Leopold

JohnN
10-26-2008, 12:13 AM
I'm not sure how accurate this chart is but its a place to start. From what I've read 500 abralon is not the same as 500 wet dry sandpaper.




http://home.earthlink.net/~litefrozen/downloads/bowling_grit_chart.pdf

mongoliantreesloth
10-26-2008, 02:53 AM
From what I've read 500 abralon is not the same as 500 wet dry sandpaper.
You're right, it isn't. As a comparison get a piece of perspex and sand half of one side with the wet/dry, the other half with Abralon. When inspecting the perspex afterwards (good to use clear stuff as you can see the underside as well) think of what each would do to your ball, then throw the wet/dry into the bin.

TenPinSniper
10-27-2008, 04:21 AM
I'm not sure how accurate this chart is but its a place to start. From what I've read 500 abralon is not the same as 500 wet dry sandpaper.
http://home.earthlink.net/~litefrozen/downloads/bowling_grit_chart.pdf

I have that chart as well, but my proshop sanded my ball with 320 Sandpaper and then 500 Abralon before a hook again treatment.

The 320 was alot rougher, considering per that chart 500 Abralon is suppose to be between 320 and 360 Sandpaper. The 500 was ALOT smoother.

TenPinSniper
10-27-2008, 04:28 AM
which one is better ??
and where can you buy it the cheapest ?

Leopold

Right now I buy 2000 and 4000 Locally since I get it about as cheap as www.supergrit.com (http://www.supergrit.com) . Most here and several other message boards use this place. Heard shipping isn't really cheap, but it did not sound to bad if you order enough.

I use both, personally I believe Abralon provide a really consistent finish. Scotch Brite generally has a great price point and Burgandy, Green and Grey are readily available. The finish is not to bad, I use Scotch Brite alot for lower grits. The GOLD Scotch Brite is around $20, but your buying 20' of it. It provide a pretty good finish. Scotch Brite pads are great for quick adjustments at the alley.

They both have there points.
If price is a issue Scotch Brite wins.
If finish is the main issue Abralon wins.

Hope that answers your question.

Curacao_Dejavu
10-27-2008, 09:03 AM
are you using a spinner or are you doing it by hand. ?

price is an issue because by the time I receive them ( international order) the costs will be multiplied by 2 by the time it arrives.
I still have to look at some other local places to see if they have them (and new) I found a gold scoth bride but that was visibly old (like it was there for years).

so far I am inclined to have the proshop do the maintenance.
I have ordered the hook again, since they don't have that at the proshop.

Leopold

TenPinSniper
10-27-2008, 10:28 AM
As far a Scotch Brite, I would not worry about age unless it was used.

At the alley I do it by hand, but I do have a spinner at home.

I've been getting alot of my stuff from a local Auto Paint Supply Store. They have various polishes and sanding media... have not tried any of there polish yet. They're touch higher than SuperGrit, but by the time you add in shipping is pretty close.

Curacao_Dejavu
10-27-2008, 10:41 AM
I saw once instructions or a video on how to make a do it yourself spinner (modify a drillmachine and so on) I can't remember where I saw it, can someone help me find it again ?

Leopold

Thepainscoming
10-27-2008, 03:43 PM
ten, do u buy abralon at the paint store?

TenPinSniper
10-27-2008, 10:12 PM
ten, do u buy abralon at the paint store?

Yeah, Its a Autobody Paint/Supply Store.

Thepainscoming
10-28-2008, 03:15 PM
o they have abralon there though? nice gotta find one around here then.

TenPinSniper
10-29-2008, 02:26 AM
Surprising their box price is pretty close to the new prices at Super Grit.

Each pad cost around $4 with tax. They only stock 2000 and 4000, but if I want a box of the others they order them.

They order me a roll of Gold Scotch Brite and got that day or the next for around $20.

PinSlayer
10-29-2008, 03:25 AM
o they have abralon there though? nice gotta find one around here then.

I bought 4 of them off ebay for right at $16 shipped.. Two 1000 and two 2000

TenPinSniper
10-29-2008, 06:53 AM
Thats not bad, but you have to wait... and this places sells me only what I want.

slap
10-29-2008, 07:56 AM
I haven't been able to find a local source for abralon. Kind of suprising since I'm in a major metropolitian area.

TenPinSniper
10-30-2008, 12:27 AM
Wonder where you local body shops get there supplies... I'd suspect they may use abralon.